Re: Re: CSELR History
  Michael Giddey

A Loftus we use 25mm square hollow tubes to form the flange groove when we concrete track laid with T rails. This would not be necessary with grooved rails. The former Sydney system laid old ropes in the grooves to facilitate removal of excess concrete.

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On 28 Jan 2021, at 10:45 am, 'Richard Youl' via TramsDownUnder tramsdownunder@...mailto:tramsdownunder@googlegroups.com> wrote:

The New South Wales government must be the dream customer for any any fast talking light rail proponents as they seem willing to fall for anything offered.

Not only do they continue to use the slow construction method, no doubt making a profuse use of reinforcing steel, but now someone has convinced the government of the need for those rectangular steel bars, or tubes, laid each side of the running rails. Whatever could they be for? See Tim Boxsell’s Parramatta photos below.

By comparison, Melbourne‘s latest preferred track construction method is faster to lay, perfectly effective at almost certainly cheaper. But as Matthew mentioned , Melbourne has old trams but Sydney is inventing light rail from scratch.

By the way, does anyone have any idea what those rectangular bars are for?

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On 28 Jan 2021, at 8:29 am, Michael Giddey mikegiddey@...mailto:mikegiddey@outlook.com> wrote:

 If you want a cracking pace go see how it is done in Melbourne. Oh wait. I forgot that there,s nothing that these people can learn from Melbourne.

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On 27 Jan 2021, at 2:48 pm, Greg Sutherland gregsutherland@...mailto:gregsutherland@ozemail.com.au> wrote:


November 5, 2018

Greg


On 27/01/2021 1:50 pm, TP wrote:
What year was that from? I think the general drift of these angst-ridden projects is that the problems of inception soon fade into history - if the end result turns out well. I would say that such is the case with Edinburgh which had a disastrous inception but, from what I understand, the operation is pretty good and everybody is now happy. CSELR, on the other hand, tripped over at the finish line with that excruciatingly slow operation and they've obviously made efforts to improve on that, their efforts motivated recently by a petition from 20,000 bus users who say there's no way they'll use the trams as long as they're so slow.

Now the journey times are showing as 33-35 minutes, which is still at least five minutes short of what's desirable from the perspective of bus interchange, but a long way from where it started. The fact that it's still a work in progress (more than a year later) is indicated by the fact that the timetable hasn't yet been updated to reflect these trip times and the trams are still not publicly live-tracked. Possibly the headways have fractured a little under the pressure of the higher running-time expectation. We'll see. It's doing decently within its own immediate catchment. The big question is the bus restructure in the SE and the issue of forced interchange for commuters from beyond the tram catchment.

Tony P

On Wednesday, 27 January 2021 at 12:53:57 UTC+11gregsut...@...mailto:gregsut...@ozemail.com.au wrote:

Remember this?

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/national/sydney-light-rail-build-at-cracking-pace/video/2d8f5d5898d5043b05ffce9674396919#top

Greg


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