I don't want to labour the details again because it's all been extensively
aired on this forum previously, but the all-stops metro gets further
afield, faster than even the express suburban trains. The metro's average
speed is considerably higher than that of the suburban services. I can post
the figures again if you don't believe me, but if I do, there will be a
major collective sigh on this forum!

The metro system *will* be introducing rail coverage into areas of Sydney
not served by rail. A mere two sections of the suburban system will be
converted in order for the metro to reach other places (partly also to take
pressure off the suburban system by relieving some of its train load
through busy sections). Chatswood-Epping to provide a path to the NW and
Sydenham-Bankstown to service Bankstown Airport and Chipping Norton
employment zones and to provide a path to Liverpool which is in a region
that needs to be better-integrated with the rest of the system. When metro
reaches Liverpool, the rail journey to Sydney will be about 20 minutes
faster than the existing services which take about an hour.

Like everything else, those schools and hospitals sit in the context of the
transit systems. If they're hard to access or can only be accessed by road,
they don't function as well and contribute to increased congestion.

Tony P

On Wednesday, 13 January 2021 at 10:04:55 UTC+11stuart....@... wrote:

> It is a funny world nowadays. Having express trains used to be a good

> thing, people living further afield and those at busier stations got a

> quicker trip to town. Now everyone gets to stop at every station no matter

> how busy that station may be. Oh well.

>

> The question at the front of my mind is cost. The metro is costing a HELL

> of a lot of money to save a few minutes and provide a few extra trains. I

> really think that money could be better spent, for example, on extending

> the rail system to areas of Sydney not currently served by rail.

>

> Or if not on transport, what about spending in other areas? Health for

> example, imagine the inroads that could be made into hospital waiting lists

> with that sort of money.

>

> Or education? Imagine if every child received the same standard of

> education regardless of their parent's income. The money being spent on the

> metro would go a long way towards that.

>

> Cheers,

>

> Stu

>

> On Tue, Jan 12, 2021, 14:02 TP histor...@...> wrote:

>

>> It's a funny world nowadays. In my day, a faster, more frequent commuter

>> service was considered to be progress; nowadays, to some (but I suspect not

>> the vast majority) it's apparently not. The metro will cover

>> Bankstown-Central in 28 minutes, stopping at every one of eleven

>> intermediate stations. I imagine the initial timetable will be every 4

>> minutes in peaks and 10 minutes off-peak, with six-car trains with a

>> capacity of 1,100 including seats for 378. The system has a design capacity

>> for eight-car trains (1,500 passengers including 504 seats) every two

>> minutes. So, just in terms of seats (which represent only about 1/3 of

>> total capacity), the service will initially deliver 5,670 seats per hour

>> (15 trains) in peaks and 2,268 seats (6 trains) per hour off-peak (bearing

>> in mind off-peak trains are usually far from full), with a design maximum

>> capacity of 15,120 seats per hour.

>>

>> Let's look at the current service and I'll choose the 0730 to 0830 time

>> slot to assess peak figures and after 0900 to assess off-peak. The

>> eight-car trains have about 900 seats.

>>

>> Now, the first thing you have to do is choose where you want to live very

>> carefully, because not every train serves every station. If you want the

>> best possible service, you need to live at Bankstown, Sydenham or Redfern.

>> These suburbs get 9 trains an hour in peak and 6 off-peak, which is 8,100

>> and 5,400 seats per hour respectively. Your journey takes between 26

>> minutes (on trains that only stop at four stops) and 35 minutes for trains

>> that stop at all stops. The catch with the fastest trains is that you have

>> to wait a bit for them - about 10 minutes in peak and 30 minutes off peak,

>> which sort of cancels the journey time gain. In addition, if you want to

>> get off at a station along the line that is bypassed by the semi-expresses,

>> all calculations go out the window. It's Central or bust.

>>

>> On the other hand, if you live at Wiley Park, Canterbury or Hurlstone

>> Park, you're waiting about 15 minutes for a train and then the trip takes

>> 35 minutes - about 3,600 seats per hour. Between those two extremes there's

>> a random mixture of stations that the faster trains stop at, almost like

>> somebody blindfolded randomly tossed darts at a map of the SW suburbs, but

>> Lakemba, Campsie and Marrickville are the most favoured. Journey times and

>> seats are obviously in a range between the two extremes.

>>

>> So the outcome is that the discrepancy in seating per hour is not

>> anywhere as extreme as made out by metro opponents and is more than

>> compensated by a faster journey, at greater frequency and with the

>> convenience of stopping at all stations. I think you'll find, as in the

>> NSW, most people will be more than happy on the basis of these extra

>> benefits.

>>

>> Tony P

>>

>> On Tuesday, 12 January 2021 at 12:13:30 UTC+11gnhan...@...

>> wrote:

>>

>>> I wouldn't be happy if I was a regular Bankstown line user.

>>>

>>> Regards Geoffrey

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>>> *From:*tramsdo...@... tramsdo...@...> on

>>> behalf of TP histor...@...>

>>> *Sent:* Monday, 11 January 2021 10:33 AM

>>> *To:* TramsDownUnder tramsdo...@...>

>>> *Subject:* [TramsDownUnder] Re: Impact of Sydney Metro project will

>>> ‘shock everyone’, NSW Transport Minister Andrew Constance says | Gold Coast

>>> Bulletin

>>>

>>> Two to be exact: faster journey and more trains per hour.

>>>

>>> Tony P

>>>

>>> On Monday, 11 January 2021 at 17:24:56 UTC+11 Richard Youl wrote:

>>>

>>> I’m sure the Bankstown train travellers will be shocked in more ways

>>> than one!

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> https://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/impact-of-sydney-metro-project-will-shock-everyone-minister-says/news-story/5ea44be3c908ab098e3a5a955e520bc3

>>>

>>>

>>> Regards,

>>>

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