Re: Princes Highway Crossing Signal Replacement – December 2020
  Tim Boxsell

I once ran a red light in the US cause it was mounted up high on a freeway
overpass & I didn't see it as I am used to road level & even median strip
level traffic lights. Well it wasn't actually red yet but a late
orange/amber. Good thing traffic was quiet.

Also the level crossing at RNP needs boom gates, but you'd be forever
replacing them ! So there goes that idea.

New year greetings from

Tim suitably masked in Sydney.

On Mon, 11 Jan. 2021, 10:00 am Yuri Sos, trams4me@...> wrote:

> Conventional traffic lights would be more effective. Motorists are

> "programmed" to stop at a red traffic light, they do it multiple times

> every day, so it's almost an unconscious reflex, even if their

> concentration isn't 100%.


> I remember, with some guilt and embarrassment, an incident some 25 years

> ago. I was driving home from work along Footscray Road heading inbound

> towards the City - a road that I had driven on 6 days a week for about 20

> years before that. And I'm a railfan so I'm probably more aware of trains

> and trams than the average motorist.


> Rail access to Swanson and Appleton Dock used to be a single track under

> City Link and crossed eight-lane Footscray Road protected only by flashing

> red lights at each kerb.


> It had been a long stressful 14 hour day and I was exhausted. Probably

> mostly on auto pilot I was heading home. As I crossed the railway line a

> blast of a horn and a bright headlight of a Y class appeared in my driver's

> side window. I missed colliding with that Y class by about 4 metres.


> Now I could make lots of excuses such as flashing lights at the kerb of an

> eight-lane road are outside a driver's line of vision (*) but the fact is

> that it was ENTIRELY MY FAULT due to inattention and lack of concentration.

> The point is that, to my knowledge, I've never driven through a red traffic

> light. Watch cars in traffic - 99.9% of drivers automatically come to a

> halt at a red light.


> The Museum's crossing light is very nice and appeals to my gunzel's heart,

> but the average motorist will not have it programmed in.


> I was also concerned at the speed of motorists past the work site - I was

> amazed that cars could flash past so close to workers: were there no 40km/h

> speed restrictions and Lane closures in place?


> Yuri.


> (*) another bugbear of mine is that Australian standards call for removing

> traffic lights away from the driver's line-of-sight as the driver

> approaches the intersection. Located on the near side of the intersection,

> as you approach the intersection the traffic lights move out of your line

> of sight as a driver because you're watching the cars in front of you and

> so you can quite easily miss the fact that the lights have changed to amber

> or red. In the US traffic lights high mounted traffic lights are on the

> FAR side of the intersection and there is one set of traffic lights for

> each lane of traffic in each direction; this means that as you approach the

> intersection you ALWAYS have a traffic light directly in your line of sight

> till you enter the intersection: in my opinion this is much safer for

> drivers especially in heavy traffic, night-time or bad weather. I note at

> several intersections here in South and Port Melbourne, the near side high

> mounted traffic lights are obscured by tree foliage until you are close to

> the intersection. Placing high mounted lights on the far side of the

> intersection would ensure clear view of the lights.


> /rant off


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