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John Whitton
7 HOURS AGO
To replace 8,000 diesel buses with electrical buses over the next decade will require the NSW Government to purchase 800 buses/year.

That's a lot higher than the proposed purchase of 50 buses in 2021.

At 800 buses per year it is patently obvious that local bus builders could not meet that delivery rate. More overseas purchases of "off the shelf" buses. Let us hope they are, at least, Right Hand Drive and comply with Australian Road Regulations, especially all up weight restrictions or will we just get road destructor overweight models?

A further issue will be the disposal of the existing fleet, half of which will be less than half way through their expected life. This will mean that millions of dollars of taxpayers funds will be written off.
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james
4 HOURS AGO
Never let maths get in the way of a good story!
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artsleT
4 HOURS AGO
Remember these are electric buses with few moving parts and so very easy to assemble. Why do you think it’s not possible to make 2 buses per day? The site purchased for the manufacture of these buses in Moss Vale is 50 hectares in size.
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MickC
3 HOURS AGO
Probably left hand drive as the procurement people use pictures reversed.
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Conway East
2 HOURS AGO
"A further issue will be the disposal of the existing fleet".

No problem at all, just take them out and sink them next to the Freshwater ferries.
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Sandfly Flat
6 HOURS AGO
Unless powered from renewables (which could happen one day) electric buses are almost as bad for climate change as diesel.
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but...
5 HOURS AGO
When this was looked at a few years ago, the change to electric vehicles still reduced emissions (except, at the time, in Victoria, due to brown coal). Electric motors are considerably more efficient than diesel engines, which has a lot to do with it.
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artsleT
4 HOURS AGO
Pleas do some research. EVs are over 90% efficient compared to Diesel engines which are around 35% efficient. Plus, every time a bus brakes about 30% of the kinetic energy is converted to electricity and put back into the battery.
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One Weed At A Time
6 HOURS AGO
NSW government has poor form with public transport infrastructure. Are the buses going to be manufactured in Australia? Will they even fit on the roads and under overpasses? Will people be able to comfortably stand in them?
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YamanoteLine
5 HOURS AGO
Poor form? They've delivered more than the last lot did and it's changed the city for the better. The ferries do fit underneath the bridges on the Parramatta River while the intercity trains were purchased with the intention of improving the Blue Mountains corridor to match the rest of the network. Research please.....
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artsleT
4 HOURS AGO
Yes, they’ll be made in Moss Vale by a company called a Nexport.
Trial buses have been running in Sydney for the past year with rave reviews from drivers, passengers and NSW government. To date, nobody has complained that they couldn’t stand up.
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jezza99
6 HOURS AGO
This certainly will improve our city environment considerably. Diesel busses are noisy and dirty, electric busses should make bus corridors considerably more attractive.

Congratulations to Mr Constance for this initiative.
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Macca
3 HOURS AGO
Your congratulating him way to early, ferries don't fit under bridges,
trains that don't fix stations and the dumbest mistake, light rail that's not interchangeable with each other.
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softly softly......
6 HOURS AGO
What about expanding light rail to Coogee, Bondi Bronte and La Perouse?
Maybe even stage 2 of Parramatta light rail.
All electric and easily sourced by solar ( like Melbourne trams)
How about going all the way?
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Yeef1988
6 HOURS AGO
Isnt most of the bus network already or soon will be privatised? Does this mean the long suffering tax payer meets the cost again for the benefit of private operators?
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YamanoteLine
5 HOURS AGO
No, buses and all assets remain in the hands of the state government. The operating contracts will be outsourced. Nothing has been sold or privatised. Please don't spread untruths.
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5 HOURS AGO
Yes.
If the government mandates it, then the private operators have to comply or drop out, though. If the government is mandating the change on our behalf, then I guess it's not unfair for the government to pay, as long as the contracts are watertight and the new buses come back to government ownership if the private operator closes or stops operating public services.

I beiieve buses should be brought back under public ownership, but that's not going to happen, and the electric bus fleet must be brought about. So we just have to wear it.
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Jimmy
3 HOURS AGO
The way the contract model works in NSW is the government essentially owns the vehicles and the private operator is paid to operate and maintain them to a timetable and routes set by the government.

So government buys or at the very least funds the buses anyway.
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Pilliga scrub destroyed by lnp for nought
5 HOURS AGO
maybe the Feds could call for some Aussie innovators to look at building these here, along with NSW, there is scope for thousands needed for other states and long into the future. Maybe the Minister for Jobs and Innovation could take charge, michaelia being a huge fan of EV's.
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MickC
3 HOURS AGO
Would love to see Cash, in hi, vis driving an electric bus.
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Martlark
4 HOURS AGO
A great initiative. Solving 2 of the many problems with busses. Noise and smog. it will be a relief to not be deafened and gassed just walking along the footpath.
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marcus
4 HOURS AGO
Amazed to see the FUD propaganda here. As someone who has ridden the existing eBuses I know this will be a huge improvement not only for noise and CO2 emissions but also ride experience. Congrats Andrew!
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Trogdor
3 HOURS AGO
Despite the usual whinging in the comments, this is a great move.

And the benefits are more than just climate, since electric buses require far less maintenance than diesel versions and will thus be cheaper to run in the medium to long term.
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MickC
3 HOURS AGO
Also heard on ABC 702 this morning that the minister is also looking at electrification of ferries. How?
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softly softly......
3 HOURS AGO
Buses won’t be built in Australia like the old days?
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chrisjj
2 HOURS AGO
At last! I will no longer have to breath diesel fumes from buses on my daily bicycle commute. This should have happened years ago.
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