Re: Re: [Eurotrams] Hundred New E class Trams for Melbounre Australlia
  TP

Yes that's a puzzling one, maybe one of those gross overspends that leads
to much angst later when it's uncovered. The first Sydney ones were about
$4 million each and that was less than ten years ago.

Tony P

On Saturday, 28 November 2020 at 19:22:29 UTC+11gol8...@...
wrote:

> Interesting because our four new CAF cars in Sydney appear to cost around

> $10 million each. No new maintenance facilities, no new depot and no new

> power supply infrastructure. I won’t even start on less people on the dole

> and more paying taxes. Whilst it seems to me that this is a tad expensive

> no doubt I can’t see the big picture. I have always thought the the big

> picture is chemically induced but put that down to my personal prejudices.

>

> Geoff O.

> *From:* TP

> *Sent:* Saturday, November 28, 2020 2:41 PM

> *To:* TramsDownUnder

> *Subject:* Re: [TramsDownUnder] Re: [Eurotrams] Hundred New E class Trams

> for Melbounre Australlia

> Sometimes, in PR terms, it pays for an agency to announce the actual tram

> cost, because what I saw several years back in many international

> discussions were comparisons of costs of various tram models and the E

> would feature at the top of the list as the most expensive. Which of course

> the media would pick up and ....! In fact, it's uncommon to get a cost

> figure now outside Europe because there are other things included like

> maintenance contracts and so on. Also, trams are often included in a

> consortium build and operate contract and the tram price is concealed in

> the overall figures.

>

> At a calculated guess, I would say that the raw cost of each E, being a

> bespoke design with four bogies, is probably about $AUD 1 million more than

> that of a 30 metre off-the-shelf Citadis or CAF. In Europe, the latter

> would cost in the range $AUD 3-4 million. In Australia something north of

> that. So for the E, maybe it's around $AUD 5-6 million or so?

>

> Tony P

> On Saturday, 28 November 2020 at 12:44:37 UTC+11 Mal Rowe wrote:

>

>> On 27/11/2020 19:23, Geoff Olsen wrote:

>>

>> Just out of interest how much does an E cost delivered and ready for

>> service?

>>

>>

>> That's about as easy to work out as it is to compare various electricity

>> retailers' options!

>>

>> If you took the $1.48B for the project and divided it by the 100 trams.

>> they would be $14.8M each!

>>

>> However, there are a lot of other costs to get a tram in service,

>> including:

>>

>> - Acquiring land for and building depots or depot extensions.

>> - Acquiring land for and building substations.

>> - Additional maintenance facilities.

>> - Service for a period of the tram's life included in the purchase

>> price.

>>

>> I recall finding some of this info to answer an earlier query on the

>> initial order of 50 E class, but I can't find it on TDU now.

>>

>> One thing I do recall was that the Preston Workshops upgrade was around

>> $100M.

>>

>> Mal Rowe - who does not doubt that the E's are more expensive than a

>> production line Citadis, but trusts the locals to choose wisely

>>

>>

>>

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