Yes that's a puzzling one, maybe one of those gross overspends that leads
to much angst later when it's uncovered. The first Sydney ones were about
$4 million each and that was less than ten years ago.
Tony P
On Saturday, 28 November 2020 at 19:22:29 UTC+11gol8...@...
wrote:
> Interesting because our four new CAF cars in Sydney appear to cost around
> $10 million each. No new maintenance facilities, no new depot and no new
> power supply infrastructure. I won’t even start on less people on the dole
> and more paying taxes. Whilst it seems to me that this is a tad expensive
> no doubt I can’t see the big picture. I have always thought the the big
> picture is chemically induced but put that down to my personal prejudices.
>
> Geoff O.
> *From:* TP
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 28, 2020 2:41 PM
> *To:* TramsDownUnder
> *Subject:* Re: [TramsDownUnder] Re: [Eurotrams] Hundred New E class Trams
> for Melbounre Australlia
> Sometimes, in PR terms, it pays for an agency to announce the actual tram
> cost, because what I saw several years back in many international
> discussions were comparisons of costs of various tram models and the E
> would feature at the top of the list as the most expensive. Which of course
> the media would pick up and ....! In fact, it's uncommon to get a cost
> figure now outside Europe because there are other things included like
> maintenance contracts and so on. Also, trams are often included in a
> consortium build and operate contract and the tram price is concealed in
> the overall figures.
>
> At a calculated guess, I would say that the raw cost of each E, being a
> bespoke design with four bogies, is probably about $AUD 1 million more than
> that of a 30 metre off-the-shelf Citadis or CAF. In Europe, the latter
> would cost in the range $AUD 3-4 million. In Australia something north of
> that. So for the E, maybe it's around $AUD 5-6 million or so?
>
> Tony P
> On Saturday, 28 November 2020 at 12:44:37 UTC+11 Mal Rowe wrote:
>
>> On 27/11/2020 19:23, Geoff Olsen wrote:
>>
>> Just out of interest how much does an E cost delivered and ready for
>> service?
>>
>>
>> That's about as easy to work out as it is to compare various electricity
>> retailers' options!
>>
>> If you took the $1.48B for the project and divided it by the 100 trams.
>> they would be $14.8M each!
>>
>> However, there are a lot of other costs to get a tram in service,
>> including:
>>
>> - Acquiring land for and building depots or depot extensions.
>> - Acquiring land for and building substations.
>> - Additional maintenance facilities.
>> - Service for a period of the tram's life included in the purchase
>> price.
>>
>> I recall finding some of this info to answer an earlier query on the
>> initial order of 50 E class, but I can't find it on TDU now.
>>
>> One thing I do recall was that the Preston Workshops upgrade was around
>> $100M.
>>
>> Mal Rowe - who does not doubt that the E's are more expensive than a
>> production line Citadis, but trusts the locals to choose wisely
>>
>>
>>
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