So true.

Berry was an accountant.

One example was that the fares collected by the stop based queue conductors who issued pre - paid fares at major city stops in peak hours were credited to 'Bus Income' even though the vast majority of these tickets were issued to tram passengers.

A further financial practice which continues to this day is that no information was placed on the public record, such as in Annual Reports, covering the profit/loss figures for specific routes or depots so that it is impossible for the public (or management for that matter) to judge the efficiency or financial performance of individual sectors of the enterprise.

Perhaps the most obvious current example of this financial smokescreen is the contracting out of bus operations with no factual and verifiable comparisons being publicly available of the cost to government (and the taxpayer) of the private sector operation compared to State Transit.

Greg

On 22/11/2020 9:29 am, TP wrote:
> Numerous tram lines in Sydney were still making a profit at the end of their service. Various creative accounting efforts, led by the Department of Government Transport's Commissioner and militant bus advocate Stan Berry, were used to conceal these facts and present the replacement buses in a better light - and of course the press uncritically swallowed this information.

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> Incidentally, somebody in Melbourne with a research bent may be interested to pursue the MMTB's involvement in a 1970s proposal to bring trams back to the Sydney CBD, preparing a report called "Central Sydney Tramway - Feasibility Study" (MMTB September 1974). The report was commissioned by the Liberal Minister for Transport, Milton Morris, and the MMTB was approached because the previous Labor government had purged all the tramway expertise from the agency after 1961. Unfortunately, Labor got back into power in 1975 and that was the end of Morris' proposal.

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> Tony P

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> I wonder what the official response to the trams making profits,

> buses making a loss story was?

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> David

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>> On 21 Nov 2020, at 2:25 pm, 'Richard Youl' via TramsDownUnder

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>> A local radio presenter each month hosts a ‘Time Capsule’ program

>> focussing on a particular year, highlighting music, newspaper

>> advertisements for products and comparing what they cost in

>> todays money, job vacancies (with often what today would be

>> politically incorrect requirements of applicants), and also

>> letters to the editor. Most astonishing were the exact names and

>> addresses of couples who had just become divorced, including the

>> ‘misdemeanours’ of the guilty party!

>>

>> The following are transport-related clippings dating from 1963

>> following the Paddington tram depot fire disaster of late 1962,

>> and show the writers’ dissatisfactions with bus replacements. As

>> we know, their feelings were ignored.

>>

>> As for the side-on tram collision, obviously the driver of the FM

>> shunting at the Wharf St crossover did not check the other track

>> to ensure another tram was not approaching from behind from

>> further up the street.

>>

>> Incidentally this presenter enjoys the Brisbane tram photos

>> published here by Ian Saxon and others and sent on by me.

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>> Anyway some of you may find some interesting reading below.

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