What I can't work out is why didn't they use centre poles through royal
park. There's no other traffic ?
On Thu, 15 Oct. 2020, 9:04 pm Andrew C, andrewhighriser@...> wrote:
> Very much as you suggest Hal about redundant poles. However, the remaining
> poles still in situ and holding up wires seem to be well maintained. I
> expect they are the responsibility of the government owned Victrack rather
> than our private tram operator, but don't spread the news that it is not a
> private company's fault.
> Andrew.
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> On Thu, 15 Oct 2020 at 20:51, Hal Cain hegcain@...> wrote:
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>> Lack of coordination between owners and operators?
>>
>> I wonder also whether the owners now take the view that it's cheaper to
>> let painted steel poles corrode and be replaced with galvanised poles, than
>> to keep removing rust and repaint them?
>>
>> Hal Cain
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 6:40 PM Andrew C andrewhighriser@...>
>> wrote:
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>>> Melbourne has so many redundant tramway poles where new ones have been
>>> installed. Some have been completely denuded of wires by all authorities,
>>> but they still sit there waiting for the big claw to arrive and pull them
>>> out.
>>> Andrew.
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>>> On Thu, 15 Oct 2020 at 18:25, Hal Cain hegcain@...> wrote:
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>>>> I have noticed sometimes that when tramway span poles had to be
>>>> replaced (on account of corrosion or collision damage) the tramway span
>>>> wires had been shifted but the pole stood there for several days, waiting
>>>> for the electric supply wiring, and/or street lights, to be shifted. Since
>>>> I'm no longer a Melbourne resident, I can't say whether this still happens!
>>>>
>>>> Do electric supply utility companies now pay for the tramway poles they
>>>> hang their wiring from? Or vice versa when the tramways (as the MMTB
>>>> sometimes did in the 60s-70s) shift their overhead to SEC poles and remove
>>>> their own poles? The original overhead wiring on the last section of the
>>>> North Balwyn route made extensive use of SEC poles. Way back in the past,
>>>> before the MMTB, some municipal councils which were members of tramway
>>>> trusts (Melbourne, Brunswick, Footscray, Preston, Northcote, Coburg) also
>>>> ran the electricity supply to their areas. On the Essendon lines, the NMETL
>>>> ran the trams and the electricity supply. They had interests in both
>>>> electricity and tramways.
>>>>
>>>> Hal Cain, now in an area with mostly underground electric supply, but
>>>> no tram overhead at all
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 5:52 PM Mal Rowe mal.rowe@...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Tram systems like Melbourne and Toronto are often called 'legacy
>>>>> systems' - and it's not a compliment.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, the legacy is real and includes the sharing of assets with
>>>>> other utilities.
>>>>>
>>>>> A power pole was being replaced near my place today and Yarra were
>>>>> there
>>>>> transferring span wires across to the new pole.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mal Rowe - who thinks that's probably a fairly efficient use of an
>>>>> asset
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