Very much as you suggest Hal about redundant poles. However, the remaining
poles still in situ and holding up wires seem to be well maintained. I
expect they are the responsibility of the government owned Victrack rather
than our private tram operator, but don't spread the news that it is not a
private company's fault.
Andrew.
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On Thu, 15 Oct 2020 at 20:51, Hal Cain hegcain@...> wrote:
> Lack of coordination between owners and operators?
>
> I wonder also whether the owners now take the view that it's cheaper to
> let painted steel poles corrode and be replaced with galvanised poles, than
> to keep removing rust and repaint them?
>
> Hal Cain
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 6:40 PM Andrew C andrewhighriser@...>
> wrote:
>
>> Melbourne has so many redundant tramway poles where new ones have been
>> installed. Some have been completely denuded of wires by all authorities,
>> but they still sit there waiting for the big claw to arrive and pull them
>> out.
>> Andrew.
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>> On Thu, 15 Oct 2020 at 18:25, Hal Cain hegcain@...> wrote:
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>>> I have noticed sometimes that when tramway span poles had to be replaced
>>> (on account of corrosion or collision damage) the tramway span wires had
>>> been shifted but the pole stood there for several days, waiting for the
>>> electric supply wiring, and/or street lights, to be shifted. Since I'm no
>>> longer a Melbourne resident, I can't say whether this still happens!
>>>
>>> Do electric supply utility companies now pay for the tramway poles they
>>> hang their wiring from? Or vice versa when the tramways (as the MMTB
>>> sometimes did in the 60s-70s) shift their overhead to SEC poles and remove
>>> their own poles? The original overhead wiring on the last section of the
>>> North Balwyn route made extensive use of SEC poles. Way back in the past,
>>> before the MMTB, some municipal councils which were members of tramway
>>> trusts (Melbourne, Brunswick, Footscray, Preston, Northcote, Coburg) also
>>> ran the electricity supply to their areas. On the Essendon lines, the NMETL
>>> ran the trams and the electricity supply. They had interests in both
>>> electricity and tramways.
>>>
>>> Hal Cain, now in an area with mostly underground electric supply, but no
>>> tram overhead at all
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 5:52 PM Mal Rowe mal.rowe@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Tram systems like Melbourne and Toronto are often called 'legacy
>>>> systems' - and it's not a compliment.
>>>>
>>>> However, the legacy is real and includes the sharing of assets with
>>>> other utilities.
>>>>
>>>> A power pole was being replaced near my place today and Yarra were
>>>> there
>>>> transferring span wires across to the new pole.
>>>>
>>>> Mal Rowe - who thinks that's probably a fairly efficient use of an asset
>>>>
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