Looking at that Tatra-Yug design, they've actually achieved what no other
manufacturer has with this platform - the magic one double-leaf door per 5
linear metres. There are six doors in the car, two in each module, better
than the E class

https://tatra-yug.com.ua/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/66.png

One would of course have to look at the dimensions to see whether it's
compatible with the kinematic envelope of every system, but it would work
better with crowd-handling and still have around 60 seats including
fold-downs. I'm reading the plan across to a 2650 wide double-ended design
of course. That would be 2+2 across seating and the additional doors shown
at the ends would be driver's doors.

If they can produce good quality and reliability, Tatra-Yug is an example
of the manufacturers who will be supplying the European legacy system
market into the future, while Alstom and CAF are likely to continue
dominating the new system market (unfortunately!).

Tony P
On Tuesday, 11 August 2020 at 11:59:55 UTC+10 TP wrote:

> After the takeover of Bombardier by Alstom, it's really up in the air

> whether the Flexity Swift (and its spare parts) will even be available in

> the future as a model from the manufacturer. Several other manufacturers

> offer this type of tram (including Tatra-Yug as noted above) and many of

> them will be in on any future call for tenders under an open tendering

> regime. Standardisation of spare parts is a great ideal but not really

> practicable under open tendering.

>

> As I've mentioned before and would express again more strongly here,

> Melbourne would be absolutely stark raving nuts to order smaller trams in

> the future. When a mega-city (which is what Melbourne is) is growing in

> leaps and bounds, the last thing you do is reduce the capacity of its

> public transport. Look at what's being done in Sydney and you get the idea

> (apart from the STA's stupid one-size-fits-all bus purchase policy, soon to

> be dead I hope).

>

> Tony P

>

> On Tuesday, 11 August 2020 at 11:28:16 UTC+10richt...@... wrote:

>

>>

>> Feel like we are going around in circles here. Any new tram would be a

>>> smaller version of the E class, with parts able to be interchanged between

>>> the E class and their smaller counterparts. No more buying of odd trams for

>>> the fleet

>>>

>>

>> Melbourne has learnt the hard way about keeping so many spares at the

>> store at Preston Workshops, at one stage there was A1,A2,B1,B2

>> C1,C2,D1,D2,E1,E2, W, Z1,Z3 parts in store. They all need different

>> qualifications to drive, and maintain.

>>

>> The Victorian budget will be wiped out for years. The W class conversion

>> into W8 has almost ended, with no additional cars being done. Downer EDI

>> have been pushing on with the mid life refurbishment of the B2 class

>> (almost complete) Z3 midway through and C and D class. No A class have been

>> started yet but will be before years end. Expect the timeframe for these

>> trams operating to be pushed out further than the projected 2030.

>>

>> I believe the last tram built for Melbourne will be E2.6090 until the

>> state recovers.

>>

>> AR

>>

>