It refers to the revised internal seating. See the details below of car 41 held at the National Railway Museum, Port Adelaide. Unfortunately I do not have an interior photo.
http://nrm.org.au/collections/31-search-our-collections/77-railcar-no-41-brill
John Radcliffe
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What is a “milk bar” conversion? Geoff Paterson
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Adelaide trams generally had upholstered seats in the non-smoking areas (originally rattan, and later replaced by faux leather cloth in F type cars. Smokers’ seats were slatted wooden, varnished. Women did not like the rattan much as broken strands had a propensity to snag their nylons and cause “runs”. The H cars had actual leather (later vinyl). The E1type cars after conversion had Dunlopillo foam rubber with London Underground grey lozenge pattern moquette. Two dropcentre cars (250 and 262) started out with moquette, and I believe H 380 also had moquette for a time. The lower decks of the AEC trolleybuses also had the same moquette. Winding handles were used on the 1925 SAR-built Garford buses (including the later Green Goddess trolleybus) and also in “Milk Bar” conversions of Brill model 75 railcars. These winders were very low geared using a length of bike chain in the mechanism.
John Radcliffe
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The window winders are a modern touch but the spartan interior belies the image of modernity expressed in the exterior! Sydney certainly had it all with those plush seats facing the direction of travel. In one paper, Maclean had a dig at his interstate counterparts for persisting with wooden seats at a time when buses were rapidly bounding ahead in seating comfort. I think he was the only one in Australia among the senior tram personnel who saw the writing on the wall.
Tony P
On Monday, 10 August 2020 at 09:57:50 UTC+10 Mal Rowe wrote:
On 10/08/2020 09:45, TP wrote:
> Did I read somewhere that the FMs had wind-down windows like a car?
>
Yes.
See attached pic.
A lot easier for passengers to operate - most likely when a sudden
shower of rain arrived on a summer day.
Note also the circles on the glass in this example - a visual cue that
the tram had windows!
Mal Rowe who was somewhat surprised to see these some 50 years ago
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