Re: Infrastructure costs and project management (Was: "Auto" points)
  Robbie Smith

The Anglosphere has a pathalogical fear and hatred of competent public
sectors, so projects get pulled in lots of directions by vested
interests. By contrast, Scandinavian countries[1] (and Switzerland)
have a strong public sector that is able to make comprehensive plans,
and a political class that trusts them enough to take guidance from
them rather than demand they follow the party line of whoever is
currently in power. I don't know why Anglosphere countries get tied up
in "red tape" whilst Scandinavian countries don't, but I suspect this
is a big part of it: there's more of an adversarial approach here
whereas there they are more consensus-driven.
[1]
https://pedestrianobservations.com/2019/05/03/construction-costs-in-the-nordic-countries/
—I'd highly recommend reading the comments as well for some further
insight.
On Thu, 2019-05-16 at 09:31 +1000, Matthew Geier wrote:
> On 15/5/19 5:36 pm, Robbie Smith wrote:

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> > I read a recent article[1] about why infrastructure costs are

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> > US, but there are parallels here), and it boils down to us

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> > terrible at project management and asset utilisation.

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> I suspect the UK can make the US look reasonable. I once saw a

> figure for project management costs vs other engineering costs

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> HS1 in the UK. Despite those impressive bridges and all the

> tunneling, Civil or indeed any 'hard' engineering discipline

> wasn't top of the list....

> 'Project Management' is going gang-busters at the Uni I work for

> - it's the most popular strand in Engineering at the moment.

> Students are flocking to it because they think there are better

> prospects at actually getting a job after spending 3 to 4 years

> getting a degree. (We are turning out more

> civil/mechanical/electrical engineers than there are actual

> jobs

> for them)

> If anything we are now over supplied with project managers, but

> all those large infrastructure projects the government keeps

> talking about need project managers and lots of them due to the

> 'compliance' work required for government contracts. Actually

> paying some tradies to do some actual work is way down the

> list.

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> And further down the feeding chain we are not turning out enough

> trades as no one wants to do hard work and the long hours. And

> because not enough people are doing trades, the ones that do

> get

> through can make plenty of money, but they do long hours to get

> it.

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