Re: When is a tram 'born' ?
  Dudley Horscroft

That seems to me to be the best date - prior to that date all charges would have been to the capital account, from that date on all
charges to the revenue account. Of course, perhaps nowadays there is no such thing as a 'capital' or a 'revenue' account?

Regards

Dudley Horscroft
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> Attached is a sample of how the MTT, Adelaide, did it - in these cases, "rebirths", fourth time around.

>

> John Radcliffe

>

>

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> From:tramsdownunder@... [mailto:tramsdownunder@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bob Pearce

> Sent: Monday, 13 May 2019 1:08 PM

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> Hi all,

> I am not sure what the 'official' date at PTA is, but there is certainly a

> testing and trial phase that all new railcars go through before being accepted

> into passenger service.

> I suppose the date of acceptance would be the one for the record of service.

> There is generally advice sent to all sorts of people including train control

> about the fact.

> Prior to that I suppose it still 'belongs' to the builder/ testing people.

> Bob in Perth

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> Sent: Monday, 13 May 2019 11:21 AM

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> Hi Matthew,

>

> You raise an interesting point.

>

> It's my understanding that the date usually recorded is the date of entry into

> service - that's what PTV does in their official records in Melbourne.

>

> (I attach a sample from the current franchise agreement)

>

> However, there is a practice of recent times of long 'run-in' periods before

> being placed in public service, complicating the issue.

>

> I'll still go for date of entry into service for consistency, but can see

> other arguments!

>

> Mal Rowe - amateur data manager

>

>

>

> On 13/05/2019 10:11, Matthew Geier wrote:

>> People only interested in reminiscing about Melbourne trams please

>> skip :-)

>>

>> I recently were given a box of folders containing the commissioning

>> records for the Sydney Variotrams.

>>

>> It looks like the final assembly of 2107 at Dandenlong started on or

>> near the 7/8/97 - when the 'bogies to body' procedure was signed off.

>> The modules were connected on the same day. From the 7th it would have

>> been able to rolled around the workshop on it's own wheels.

>>

>> It was weighed on the 14/8/97 and 'prep for shipping' was signed off

>> on the 14th.

>>

>> On the 15th an 'outstanding items' document was prepared and

>> apparently sent to Sydney.

>>

>> 10 days later (25/08) a handover inspection was organized at Pyrmont.

>>

>>

>> So what date should be considered the tram's 'birthday' :-)

>>

>>

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