Re: Re: New video: Driver’s view Upfield to North Melbourne. 25 minutes.
  Mark Skinner

While it's interesting to compare Australian and overseas operations, if
you do it too often, people get annoyed. Or simply refuse to believe.

On Thu, 14 Feb 2019, 13:34 Robbie Smith zoqaeski@... wrote:

> It'd be an interesting exercise to compare Australian suburban operations

> with overseas counterparts. The Zürich S-Bahn has quite a lot of

> single-track sections, and they manage to achieve some rather impressive

> average speeds and levels of service… but then again, to the Swiss

> timekeeping is of national importance.

>

> Other than having an unnecessarily padded timetable and too many level

> crossings, the one thing that could permit more services on the Upfield

> line is the addition of a second platform at the terminus. It'd be a whole

> lot cheaper than duplicating the remaining section, and would probably

> permit ten-minute frequencies.

>

> Robbie

>

> On Fri, 2019-01-25 at 19:25 -0800, Prescott wrote:

>

> This is a timely comparison with the Perth videos that I just posted,

> where it is directly comparable to the Perth legacy lines. In terms of the

> comparable shorter-distance, closer-stops lines, the slightly more sluggish

> performance of the Melbourne train is conspicuous. Slower

> acceleration/deceleration and seemingly a slower maximum speed - it seems a

> bit dawdling by comparison. However, in terms of a shorter-distance run,

> it's not a great difference from Perth.

>

> If I take a 13 km segment that I use in the comparisons, this would be

> Upfield-Royal Park, 9 intermediate stops in 20 minutes with, from what I

> can see, similar dwell times to Perth (the Melbourne train has 3 doors per

> car I assume?). The journey time in the Melbourne case is only a couple of

> minutes slower than the equivalent on a Perth legacy line, which would

> reflect the (unnecessarily?) more lethargic performance of the Melbourne

> train. On longer distances, the gap between Melbourne and Perth widens.

>

> However, all this is nothing compared to Sydney running times which, over

> equivalent 13 km runs with the same number of stations, are a good 5 to 7

> minutes slower than the Perth times and thus, about 4 to 5 minutes slower

> than the Melbourne times. Sydney metro times over the equivalent are going

> to be very close to the Perth times, just a tiny fraction slower, but

> they're not specified for the maximum speeds that Perth trains are designed

> for. I think this will be rectified in future Sydney orders for metro

> trains.

>

> As usual, thanks for the well-crafted and informative video Richard.

>

> Tony P

>

> On Saturday, 26 January 2019 08:30:15 UTC+11, Richard Youl wrote:

>

> If you want to fill-in 25 minutes today, come for a train ride.

>

> Already this scene has changed with the completion of the grade separation

> project at Camp Road.

>

> According to my driver, although the bridge makes provision for a second

> track, the new rail cutting at this stage is only wide enough for the

> single track at this location. He thinks duplication could be another 20

> years away.

>

> https://youtu.be/MXI_aFwXCOU

>

>

> Regards,

>

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