Re: Freight car 17, Mitchells Brushes Was 1024 and its lamps [Was: Unidentified adverting tram, 1974]
  Tony Galloway

Thanks for the correction. All the photos of it I’ve seen it had a brush or broom ad, I got the name wrong.

Tony

> On 10 Feb 2019, at 7:58 pm, William Jackson apairofjacks@...> wrote:

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> Mitchells brushes, freight car 17. HHJ Photo 12/10/69

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> To:tramsdownunder@... mailto:tramsdownunder@googlegroups.com

> Subject: Re: [TramsDownUnder] Re: 1024 and its lamps [Was: Unidentified adverting tram, 1974]

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> As I recall Mitchell’s brushes and Sunkist Frozen vegetables. Both long term paint schemes.

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> From Mal in transit

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> From:tramsdownunder@... mailto:tramsdownunder@googlegroups..com on behalf of Tony Galloway arg@... mailto:arg@aapt.net.au>

> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2019 6:42 pm

> To: tramsDownUnder Richard Youl via

> Subject: Re: [TramsDownUnder] Re: 1024 and its lamps [Was: Unidentified adverting tram, 1974]

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> Did freight car 17 ever advertise anything other than Fuller’s Brushes ?

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> Tony

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>> On 10 Feb 2019, at 6:31 pm, Malcolm Rowe mal.rowe@... mailto:mal..rowe@gmail.com> wrote:

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>> No, the lights on 10 and 11 were just for visibility. The freight car (17) carried advertising, but not illuminated as it only ran in daylight hours.

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>> From Mal in transit

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>> From:tramsdownunder@... mailto:tramsdownunder@googlegroups.com on behalf of Dudley Horscroft transitconsult@... mailto:transitconsult@ozemail.com.au>

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>> Subject: Re: [TramsDownUnder] Re: 1024 and its lamps [Was: Unidentified adverting tram, 1974]

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>> But weren't also 10W and 11W advertising trams? I remember seeing one of them very brightly lit, and I think I also saw one - may

>> not have been the same - with AOA.

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>> Regards

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>> Dudley Horscroft

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>> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2019 9:45 AM

>> Subject: Re: [TramsDownUnder] Re: 1024 and its lamps [Was: Unidentified adverting tram, 1974]

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>> Hi all,

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>> The unidentified advertising tram (1974) shown in Rod Smith's happy snap is SW6 935. Here's a happy snap of it in Swanston Street at

>> Lonsdale Street, heading to Moreland, on 9 February, 1974. At this time, there were 3 advertising trams--Nos. 900, 935 and 1024,

>> running around Melbourne. Nos. 900 and 1024 had fluro lights along the roof line, No. 935 didn't. My records call it 'the 2004

>> tram'. Also note the typical 1970's letter spacing (kerning) on the front signs--tight and touching; which made words a jumbled

>> mess!

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>> Cheers,

>> Andrew Cook (glad to solve the problem).

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>> Sent: Saturday, 9 February 2019 10:35 PM

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>> Subject: Re: [TramsDownUnder] Re: 1024 and its lamps [Was: Unidentified adverting tram, 1974]

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>> There were no ‘Decorated’ trams with only incandescent lamps when I started on the job in 1987, but as below, there was still at

>> least one in 1979.

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>> As for the fluorescent cars having some incandescent lamps, these were for voltage/current reducing purposes, the equivalent of

>> ballasts on those lamps running off 240 v in the home.

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>> From a driver: “There were certainly two illuminated trams in operation at the same time. The light bulb tram did not change every

>> set of points, only some. I remember the ones to turn into Domain Road would change. I think it was the Johnnie Walker advertising

>> tram. I was driving a south bound fluoro illuminated route 69 tram, probably 1024 and at the corner for Burwood and Glenferrie Roads

>> the back swing of a turning truck or van wiped out a heap of the lights. The driver did not stop. They were interesting to drive at

>> night as everything around you was lit up. There were massive change end rotary switches, and the on off switches were like the W

>> line breaker switch and dire warnings to change ends for the lights. I can't remember if anyone bothered and the fluoro tubes did

>> get black at the ends.”

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>> Regards,

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>> On 9 Feb 2019, at 5:40 pm, Mal Rowe mal.rowe@... mailto:mal.rowe@gmail.com> wrote:

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>> > On 09/02/2019 18:16, Mal Rowe wrote:

>> > Correcting myself ...

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>> > According to the text in Norm Cross's (unpublished) W tram book, 1024 was converted to flouros in 1974.

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>> Checking again, I think at least the date of conversion is wrong, and perhaps (as I originally suggested) it may not have been

>> converted at all.

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>> 1024 is seen in the attached pic dated 1979 (and another I have dated Dec 1980) still with incandescent lamps.

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>> The tram is at Newport, so when I'm there next, I'll have a look.

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>> Mal Rowe - grateful for David Featherstone's careful record keeping and great photos

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