Re: Johnston Street cable tracks in Melbourne
  Dudley Horscroft

Thanks Len for the info. At least this is one impost that the trams avoided!

Regards

Dudley Horscroft
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From: "Len" len.millar@...>
To: tramsdownunder@...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2019 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [TramsDownUnder] Johnston Street cable tracks in Melbourne


> Hello, Dudley!

> Much as municipal councils would've liked rate revenue from state and

> Commonwealth sources, such was not the case - at least in Victoria. For

> example, the Commonwealth paid no (state) land tax, and certainly the state

> government here in Victoria paid no council rates. Similarly, state

> government departments and instrumentalities (read M&MTB) paid no council

> rates. The Tramways Board WAS responsible for road surface maintenance for

> the track(s) area and 18 inches beyond. The Tramways Board would have made

> an "ex-gratia" payment (in lieu of rates) for rubbish removal by Councils.

> Cheers!

> Len Millar

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Dudley Horscroft

> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2019 12:16 AM

> To:tramsdownunder@...

> Subject: Re: [TramsDownUnder] Johnston Street cable tracks in Melbourne

>

> I have a feeling that the MMTB had to pay rates on its tracks - this was

> standard procedure in the UK, and I doubt that Australian

> councils would have given up such a wonderful source of revenue.

>

> So when it appeared that there was little likelihood of being able to

> re-open the tracks as electric lines, it was decided to get

> rid of the cable tracks and avoid the payment of rates. Probably the

> removal cost about same as one or two year's rates, so it was

> worth it. I think all the cable tracks were removed at the same time - the

> exception being where councils had already buried the

> tracks. I remember seeing the Johnston St and Port Melbourne tracks when I

> first came to Australia, and for some time after.

>

> Regards

>

> Dudley Horscroft

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: "Hal Cain" hegcain@...>

> To: tramsdownunder@...>

> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2019 8:39 PM

> Subject: Re: [TramsDownUnder] Johnston Street cable tracks in Melbourne

>

>

>> On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 3:15 PM David McLoughlin mcloughlin.dj@...>

>> wrote:

>>

>>> A question about what became of the cable tram tracks in Johnston Street,

>>> Melbourne. Known as the Collingwood line, it closed in April 1939 and was

>>> replaced at the time by buses.

>>>

>>

>> The Johnston St cable tracks were removed in the early 1960s from Johnson

>> St, Elgin St, Lygon St and Russell St. It was done while I was attending

>> Melbourne University, and I travelled on the Johnston St bus most days,

>> and

>> watched it being done (apparently by the same per-way gangs that had been

>> relaying tramlines in mass concrete). The North Carlton line in Rathdowne

>> St was also done. I wasn't within reach to see the Port Melbourne line

>> removed soon after, also the line which ran in City Rd between

>> Queensbridge

>> St and Clarendon Stl the remaining stub in Market St, between Collins St

>> and Flinders Lane, also went. The only visible cable tram track left was

>> the couple of yards at the Spencer St end of Bourke St, and they were

>> removed when the Bourke St line was connected into Spencer St as part of

>> the light rail conversion.

>>

>> The rails and slot girders were lifted, the yokes cut off by oxy-acetylene

>> torch, and the trench was filled with crushed rock, and asphalt mix road

>> surfacing was laid on top; previously the road surface on the track had

>> been wood blocks.

>>

>> The only remaining cable tram track I know of is in Abbotsford St (the

>> West

>> Melbourne route, between Queensberry St and Spencer St) which was

>> revealied

>> by excavations some years ago; it's been covered again in the course of

>> changing the roadway.. I think there was an idea about making a part of

>> it

>> visible, but I've heard nothing, and judging from Google Maps image

>> there's

>> nothing to be seen. But at least a small piece of track still exists.

>>

>> The buses replacing the Collingwood route were extended via Kew Junction,

>> forst to Earl St, later to Belford Rd, and then to Burke Rd (where they

>> met

>> the North Balwyn tram). On 2 July 1961 the MMTB took over bus routes in

>> the

>> Doncaster-Templestowe area, and extended the North Kew bus route to

>> Bulleen. The Port Melbourne bus replacing the cable tram was

>> through-routed to North Kew; it was extended to Garden City, but I don't

>> know the date. The North Carlton bus ran direct via Rathdowne St into the

>> city, instead of Lygon St; in the 1950s it was extended via Clifton Hill

>> to

>> West Heidelberg, and more recently to La Trobe University; that route

>> partly replaced the Holden St/Brunswick Rd shuttle tram service.

>>

>> Hal Cain

>>

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