That was in the days when the States stuck to the interstate agreement on registration numbers.
NSW had A to about k, Vic L to P, Qld had Q and R, SA had S, Tas had T, WA had U to W, ACT had Y and the Commonwealth had Z. Worked
well till NSW said stuff this, we haven't got enough numbers and started on someone else's allocation, and after that it was a free
for all.
Someone may remember the actual original allocation. Eventually Qld started putting the digits first, and WA followed with 1 as the
first digit. Do you remember when Qld actually started putting number plates on the front of cars - I remember QLD registered cars
running around with no front number plates! Allegedly not needed on the front because if the car hit you and you were still alive
and in front of the car, you could get to the driver and deal with him, didn't need to see the registration plate. If you were
still alive and behind the car, you needed to be able to read the registration plate to see what car hit you.
Regards
Dudley Horscroft
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Batho" dbatho@...>
To: "'Richard Youl' via TramsDownUnder" tramsdownunder@...>
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2019 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: [TramsDownUnder] Re: OT Tram/Bus Number Plates [was Bumblebee trams start running in Shanghai]
Z plates also on ordinary Commonwealth cars (such as the Ford Laser I drove whilst working in the CES in the early-80s). It was
amazing the reaction when I turned up in a 'Z car’!
David
> On 6 Jan 2019, at 9:23 pm, Tim Boxsell timbo247@...> wrote:
>
> Sydney/NSW was one of the few bus systems that had plates specific to buses (M/O & MO - now ST - what happens when they're
> "privatised"?
>
> Post Office Motorbikes, cars, trucks etc & Telecom trucks & cars all had red Z number plates until 1989 when AP & Telecom were
> 'corporatised'? After this they had General Issue NSW plates attached & had to pay rego which they never did before.
>
> Regards,
> Tim, in Sydney. 39 degrees one day, 20 the next !
>
> On Sat, 5 Jan 2019 at 15:01, Ronald Besdansky shrdlu.junction@... mailto:shrdlu.junction@gmail.com> wrote:
> MMTB buses got M (mauve-coloured) Vic Govt numberplates towards the end. And ACTION buses had Z plates.
>
> Sydney/NSW was one of the few bus systems that had plates specific to buses (M/O & MO - now ST - what happens when they're
> "privatised"?
>
> On Sat., 5 Jan. 2019, 13:19 Brian bblunt@... mailto:bblunt@iinet.net.au wrote:
> This sort of licencing (income generating) is often imposed by local councils on top of any higher government regulation . The
> fact it was controlled by the "Metropolitan Police" may be a give away?
>
> In Queensland, up to the 1970s, buses had black "Q/T-P nnnn" plates in addition to the regular registration plates. Brisbane
> trolleybuses weren't registered, but carried these plates.
>
> Brian
>
>
>
>
>
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> Cc:
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> Sent:
> Fri, 4 Jan 2019 16:30:30 -0000
> Subject:
> RE: [TramsDownUnder] Re: Bumblebee trams start running in Shanghai
>
>
> Seems I got the terminology slightly wrong, easily done when the plate is the same style regardless of vehicle type fitted to - my
> apologies!!
>
> It does however seem very odd that this 'Stage Carriage' plate was only issued in London. Although Taxi's UK wide all carry some
> form of Hackney Carriage/Taxi license plate, I do not recall seeing any fitted to buses/trams outside of the capital, and I have
> quite a collection of pics from pre-war times from around the country. Unless of course anyone knows different?
>
> Duane Fryer
> {RMT - LLC Blackpool LMD & BPN. H&S Rep BPN. Branch Chairman}
>
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> mailto:tramsdownunder@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dudley Horscroft
> Sent: 04 January 2019 08:36
> To:tramsdownunder@... mailto:tramsdownunder@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [TramsDownUnder] Re: Bumblebee trams start running in Shanghai
>
>
> It seems both Ron and Duane are both right and wrong. I quote:
>
> "In pursuance of sections 6 and 11 of the Metropolitan Public Carriage Act, 1869, I hereby prescribe as follows :—
>
> 1. A license for a cab or a stage carriage may be granted-to any person by the Commissioner of Police of the Metropolis,
> hereinafter referred to as the Commissioner, subject to the following exceptions )— (a) A license shall not be granted to any
> person under the age of 21 years, and any license so granted shall be void."
>
>
>
> From: http://archive.commercialmotor.com/article/9th-january-1908/14/hackney-and-stage-carriages-in-the-metro-politan-a
> http://archive.commercialmotor.com/article/9th-january-1908/14/hackney-and-stage-carriages-in-the-metro-politan-a
>
>
>
> From which also:
>
>
>
> "Such application, if for a cab license, shall be in the form contained in Schedule A, hereto ; or, if for a stage carriage
> license, shall be in the form contained in Schedule B, hereto. 3. The price of a license for a cab or a stage carriage is £2." . .
> .
>
> "5. The applicant shall then bring the carriage, to which he desires the license shall attach, to the police station of the
> district for examination by the inspector of public carriages, or to such other place as the Commissioner may direct, and shall,
> at the same time, deliver to the said inspector the said application and receipt. The said inspector, if he shall find such
> carriage fit for public use, shall cause a metal plate, bearing the number which is to distinguish such carriage, and hereinafter
> called the number plate, to he affixed thereto in his presence, together with such approval mark as the Commissioner may from time
> to time direct, and shall sign a certificate in the form contained in Schedule C hereto.
>
> Such number plate shall be fixed, in the case of a four-wheeled cab, on the back thereof ; in the case of a hansom cab, on the
> spring-block on the back, under the driver's seat. A number plate shall also be fixed to be visible from the inside of every such
> carriage. In the case of a stage carriage the number plate shall be affixed on the hack thereof. . . . "
>
>
> There are a few uncorrected misprints on the above document which leads me to think that the original was scanned and proof read,
> but some errors got past, hence I would suggest that the number plate for a stage carriage was required to be affixed to the
> "back"
> and not to the "hack". "Hack" is the slang term for a taxi in New York, so I doubt its use in the UK here. The Tramways Act of
> 1870 permitted bye-laws to be made by a local authority to cover tramways, so it is probably that the original requirement for a
> license was applied to trams under its effect. S48 read:
>
> "The local authority shall have the like power of making and enforcing rules and regulations, and of granting licenses with
> respect to all carriages using the tramways, and to all drivers, conductors, and other persons having charge of or using the same,
> and to the standings for the same, as they are for the time being entitled to make, enforce, and grant with respect to hackney
> carriages, and the drivers and other persons having the charge thereof, and to the standings for the same in the streets and
> district of or under the control of the local authority : Provided always, that in any district in which any of the powers
> aforesaid in relation to hackney carriages and the matters aforesaid in connexion therewith are vested in any authority other than
> the local authority of such district, such authority shall have and may exercise the powers by this section conferred upon the
> local authority."
>
> Regards
>
> Dudley Horscroft
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> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2019 6:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [TramsDownUnder] Re: Bumblebee trams start running in Shanghai
>
>
> >I think London trams were "Licensed Stage Carriages" - "hackney" only applies to taxis.
> >
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