Re: First Glenelg teams (was Re: Tramway Turntables
  Graham Jaunay

You missed one railway - the military railway linking the coastal forts
started at the St Leonards Railway Yards. Blue on the rough map attached.

Graham

On Tuesday, November 13, 2018 at 11:19:59 AM UTC+10:30, Richard Youl wrote:
>

> Quite a history there John.

>

> I probably heard before but have since forgotten whether there was a basic

> reason why the Glenelg tram line survived when all others were scrapped?

>

> Regards,

>

> Richard

>

> On 13 Nov 2018, at 10:41 am, John.Ra...@... <javascript:>> <

>John.Ra...@... <javascript:>> wrote:

>

> SUMMARY OF GLENELG RAILWAYS AND RELATED TRAMWAYS

>

> · *1873: Adelaide, Glenelg and Suburban Railway Company’s

> Victoria Square – Glenelg RAILWAY opened. *This would have impacted on

> the horse-drawn services between the City and Glenelg, although John Hill &

> Co may have operated until 1888. Independent operators provided Glenelg –

> Brighton service.

>

> · *1879: Glenelg and South Coast Tramway Company opened its

> Glenelg – Marino Railway. *

>

> · *1880: Glenelg – Marino Railway closed. *

>

> · *1883: HORSE TRAMS COMMENCED. Glenelg, New Glenelg and Somerton

> Tramway Co Ltd (GNG&ST) opened its Glenelg – Somerton Horse Tramway. *

>

> · *1884: Glenelg, Brighton and Marino Tramway Co Ltd (GB&MT)

> opened its Glenelg – Dover (South Brighton) Horse Tramway. *

>

> · *1885: Glenelg – Somerton horse tramway closed. *

>

> · *1899: The two Adelaide – Glenelg Railways were taken over by

> the South Australian Railways (SAR). *

>

> - *1914: Glenelg – Dover horse tramway closed. *

> - *Early 1929: The South Terrace – Glenelg Railway was closed for

> conversion to a tramway by the MTT. *A temporary bus service was

> introduced to serve the Forestville area but closed after a short period.

> - *Late 1929: Glenelg Tramway opened and North Terrace – Glenelg

> Railway closed. *

>

>

>

> John Radcliffe

>

>

>

>

>

> *From:*tramsdo...@... <javascript:> [

> mailto:tra...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>] *On Behalf Of *Mark Skinner

> *Sent:* Tuesday, 13 November 2018 10:50 AM

> *To:*tramsdo...@... <javascript:>

> *Subject:* Re: [TramsDownUnder] First Glenelg teams (was Re: Tramway

> Turntables

>

>

>

> There was a Glenelg and South Coast Tramway Company that operated from

> Marino to Glenelg.

>

>

>

> I believe it had a steam motor, but take this with as many shovels of salt

> as you like, since I can't recall any details.

>

>

>

> On Mon, 12 Nov 2018, 7:44 PM Geoffrey Hansen gnhan...@...

> <javascript:> wrote:

>

> What were the first trams in the Glenelg area? Were there horse trams? A

> coastal steam tramway? Or were the H class electrics in 1929 the first?

>

> Regards

>

> Geoffrey

> ------------------------------

>

> *From:*tramsdo...@... <javascript:> <

>tramsdo...@... <javascript:>> on behalf of

>John.Ra...@... <javascript:> John.Ra...@... <javascript:>>

> *Sent:* Friday, November 9, 2018 1:47:24 PM

> *To:*tramsdo...@... <javascript:>

> *Subject:* RE: [TramsDownUnder] Re: Tramway Turntables

>

>

>

> The Adelaide and Suburban Tramway Company had quite a few turntables on

> its routes for turning its single-ended horse cars. These are denoted by

> circles on the late Chris Steele’s track map of Adelaide’s horse tramways

> (attached). Some depots also had them – see small inset diagrams

>

>

>

> John Radcliffe

>

> *____________________*

>

>

>

> Turntables have a distinguished place in tramway history as pretty-much

> the first method of turning a tram. Other early methods included pivoting

> the body on the chassis and swinging it around the other way. It wasn't

> until the 1860s that horse trams were redesigned by turning the

> stairs/entrances to the sides so that the horse could be attached to either

> end. Although Sydney's Bridge St turntable was a pretty late entry, I

> wonder if it was the first (or only) turntable in Australia to be used in

> actual passenger operations, as opposed to workshops etc?

>

>

>

> Tony P

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