Re: First Glenelg trams (was Re: Tramway Turntables
  Greg Sutherland

You would also need to place the conversion of the 1880s built Loftus Junction to Royal National Park train line to a tramway line in 1993  by the Sydney Tramway Museum between Port Melbourne/St Kilda and Darling Harbour.

Greg

who was Project Manager for the conversion 25 years ago!


On 13/11/2018 10:15 am, Ronald Besdansky wrote:
> The first example of a railway to tramway conversion in Australia - followed by Port Melbourne, St Kilda and Darling Harbour. Like the first two, involved change of gauge from 1600 to 1435 mm.

>

> On Tue., 13 Nov. 2018, 10:03 Mal Rowe mal.rowe@... mailto:[email protected] wrote:

>

> The Glenelg tramway was built in 1929 and replaced a former steam

> railway to Glenelg. of the 1880s

>

> The H class trams were the only trams to run regular services from

> 1929 until the Flexities arrived in 2006.

>

> There are several good books about the line, the most recent of

> which is City & Glenelg by Brian Andrew.

>

> Mal Rowe - occasional passenger

>

> On 12/11/2018 21:13, Geoffrey Hansen wrote:

>> What were the first trams in the Glenelg area? Were there horse

>> trams?  A coastal steam tramway?  Or were the H class electrics

>> in 1929 the first?

>>

>> Regards

>> Geoffrey

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>> *Subject:* RE: [TramsDownUnder] Re: Tramway Turntables

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>> The Adelaide and Suburban Tramway Company had quite a few

>> turntables on its routes for turning its single-ended horse cars.

>> These are denoted by circles on the late Chris Steele’s track map

>> of Adelaide’s horse tramways (attached). Some depots also had

>> them – see small inset diagrams

>>

>> John Radcliffe

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>>

>> Turntables have a distinguished place in tramway history as

>> pretty-much the first method of turning a tram. Other early

>> methods included pivoting the body on the chassis and swinging it

>> around the other way. It wasn't until the 1860s that horse trams

>> were redesigned by turning the stairs/entrances to the sides so

>> that the horse could be attached to either end. Although Sydney's

>> Bridge St turntable was a pretty late entry, I wonder if it was

>> the first (or only) turntable in Australia to be used in actual

>> passenger operations, as opposed to workshops etc?

>>

>> Tony P

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