Re: Tramway trivia - another Melbourne rarity
  Mark Skinner

And heck. The Kiwis are into it already!

https://busck.co.nz/products/infrastructure/kessel-kerbs/

On Thu, 13 Sep 2018, 1:45 PM Mark Skinner emessk@...> wrote:

> That's why God invented Kassel Kerbs. They are specifically designed for

> use with buses to avoid the problem you mentioned. Not hard to retrofit

> either. A product suitable for local precast concrete manufacturers to make

> too.

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> On Thu, 13 Sep 2018, 1:32 PM John Wayman john.wayman@...> wrote:

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>> Back in the days of the M&MTB buses could substitute for trams in

>> Melbourne and run through tram stops without a problem.

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>> However in recent years the Melbourne authorities have constructed tram

>> platform stops that are not designed to be compatible with buses. The

>> platform edge projects out and is liable shred bus tyres and to be damaged

>> by them. The space between the platforms isn’t wide enough for buses to

>> manoeuvre through easily, especially with the all the traffic calming

>> devices that make tram platforms something to be avoided. Bus drivers have

>> specific instructions to not drive through tram platforms.

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>> Of course some platforms do need to be passed through by all traffic e.g..

>> the narrow section of ridge Road Richmond), and these are of a different

>> platform face.

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>> As Mark Skinner points out, this isn’t a problem where cities construct

>> platforms for dual use. Rome and Paris immediately come to mind. Tram lanes

>> in Rome are marked BUS not tram.

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>> Attached is a photo of trams and buses sharing a stop in Paris,

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>> Cheers

>>

>> John Wayman

>>

>>

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>> *From:*tramsdownunder@... tramsdownunder@...>

>> *On Behalf Of *Mark Skinner

>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 11 September 2018 5:08 PM

>> *To:*tramsdownunder@...

>> *Subject:* Re: [TramsDownUnder] Tramway trivia - another Melbourne rarity

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>> Is there a reason for that policy?

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>> A tram/bus Vienna stop in Warsaw using Kassel curbs...

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>> On Tue, 11 Sep 2018, 2:35 PM Mal Rowe mal.rowe@...> wrote:

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>> Melbourne has a clear policy of not sharing tram and bus stops.

>>

>> The only shared stop I was aware of was in Queensbridge Rd, near the

>> casino, where there is limited space.

>>

>> I have just noticed another - only one stop away from 'my stop' in

>> Essendon.

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>> The orange and green stop markers indicate it's for buses and trams.

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>> It's the last bus stop on the Ivanhoe to Essendon Station route and

>> would almost only ever be a set-down stop for buses.

>>

>> Mal Rowe - plumbing the depths of trivia!

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