The Bs are the youngest candidates for this and plans were drawn up by
Comeng, but that was rejected as being uneconomic a decade ago. The Zs are
much older and don't seem to be promising the rugged longevity that enable
certain European models to be adapted in such a way, even after many
decades of service life. What model and what age are those Poznan and
Wroclaw trams?

Tony P

On Sunday, 12 August 2018 18:47:27 UTC+10, Mark Skinner wrote:
>

> Why not convert the Zs like has been done here, showing before and after

> shots in Wrocław and Poznań?

>

> Two of these Z equivalents had their rear ends chopped off, and a low

> floor section hung between. Obviously not as good as a 100% low floor, but

> still pretty good.

>

> Mark Skinner

>

> On Sun, 12 Aug 2018, 6:23 AM Mal Rowe mal....@... <javascript:>>

> wrote:

>

>> On 12/08/2018 1:50 PM, Prescott wrote:

>> > As far as I can see, neither of them is promising any new trams beyond

>> > the current deliveries.

>> >

>> Correct, and that's disappointing as I assume that Bombardier will shut

>> down the E class production line once E2 6080 is delivered. We are up

>> to at least 6067 in service (see attached pic), so that can't be long off.

>>

>> The government has instead committed to a full refurbishment of the

>> fleet, but that's just 'kicking the can down the road' if the final

>> exemptions for the DDA end by 2032, only 14 years away.

>>

>> To replace nearly 300 non-compliant trams would require over 20 low

>> floor trams per year if we started now.

>>

>> I suspect the big issue is not only the cost of the new trams, but the

>> cost of depots and substations to support them.

>> Of course smaller new trams simply replacing trams of the Z and A

>> classes would be less demanding on infrastructure, but with Melbourne

>> population within the 'tram zone' growing rapidly, that's not likely to

>> satisfy demand in the future.

>>

>> Mal Rowe - part of the team refurbishing the old fleet

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