On 14/07/2017 1:23 AM, Bramleybrammers@... [TramsDownUnder] wrote:
> Tonyp I agree with you. Melbourne's platform stops all have protective bollards or prowls: see for example Mal's photos of the Queensbridge St stop here http://tdu.to/222316.msg ("Perhaps someone IS listening to Tony P?"). The white and red poles on the left.

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I think Tony's reference is to bollards separating the road lanes from the footpath - given the lack of a kerb at a Vienna style stop.
Warren Doubleday has provided a pic of a Vienna stop he made in 2008.
http://tdu.to/Vienna_2008_WarrenDoubleday.jpg

There are clearly no bollards at that stop at that time, and the platform edge is not clerly defined.
Aside from the pereverse pleasure some die hard PT users may have in seeing a motor car damaged, I can't see that this is better than a Melbourne style stop with the 'flappers'.

By the way, my pic of Melbourne's first 'Vienna' stop is in the TDU archives at:
http://tdu.to/a3410/DanksSt_18_Jul_04.jpg

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> Regarding the city loop stations: Flinders St and Southern Cross have bollards, Flagstaff was already specially protected due to the nearby Law Courts (steel bollards, elevated external plaza), cars are banned in Swanston St at Melbourne Central, so that just leaves Parliament. I haven't been there recently, but I assume any bollards do not protect the vienna stop in MacArthur St?

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The bollards in Macarthur St are between the footpath and the building line - not there to protect pedestrians.

Mal Rowe - who suspects that here and in Vienna, stop design is based on local risk assessment on a case by case basis.