Many a time I had to drive a W for around 4 hours at night when the radio said it was 6° outside - and no doubt in the cab. Not my idea of fun, but a few zealots in the depot demanded this continue as the 16 to St Kilda Beach was a tourist line and 'tourists love Ws'. I bet not at 6° though.

Old trams kill tramways, as the Os and Ps helped kill Sydney, without even digressing into the old rubbish running around England into the 1950s.

Regards,

> On 5 May 2015, at 7:56 pm, Graham Hockingpf4366@... [TramsDownUnder] TramsDownUnder@...> wrote:

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> You can please some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time but never all of the people all of the time and no matter how hard you try there will always be those who just nit pick at the fine print to prove to their own satisfaction that their point of view is the one and only true view, there is no room for debate.

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> Bring back the Utopia of yesteryear!

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> Solution - Simple, pull out all of the retired W's from store and put them back into service, they'll be good again for a Melboune winter won.they? Who needs air conditoning and heating anyway , are we all a lot of softies now? Wouldn't it be nice to have W again through a Melbourne winter and again when it's 35C in summer? - You bet, - plenty of fresh air?

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> Stop spending taxpayers millions on all these new trams, the waste must stop! We want our old much loved trams back, And run the (few remaining) Z's,the A's and the B's until they fall apart from rust, and we must have a conductor on every car too. (might get a few more paying their fare, that would be a bonus?) And reserve drivers each with his own conductor to be always standing by at each depot and a five minute interval service from every terminus around the clock!

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> What a lot of complete and utter twaddle! My poor old heart weeps for the inspired logic, or alternatively, 'load of crap' as the writer so aptly put his argument, lost in the mists of time, long. long. ago,. The world has changed, get used to it, this how it is in 2015, - get a life!

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> Grumpy.

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>> On 4/05/2015 3:26 PM, Alastair Reitherrichter170@... [TramsDownUnder] wrote:

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>> Sorry for being a nag but it is all a load of crap as far as i am concerned.

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>> All smaller trams are being repplaced on a 2 for 1 deal with E classes

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>> We are taking 114 Z3 Cars out of service and replacing them with 57 E class and altering the service on all lines to suit.

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>> BUT as a person at Yarra Trams put to me, there is still the same amount of room available even with the longer headways!

>> I would prefer smaller trams with shorter headways actually!

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>> We are taking 29 Z1/2 trams out of service with a number already been stored and removed from the network in the last few weeks and replacing then 2 to 1 with E class so 14.5 cars! Which is really 14

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>> So all the W class were removed from revenue service without much fanfare and not replaced, only to be retained on the city circle.

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>> A number of drivers at bigger depots are facing an uncertain future as the tram network is reduced down by some 71 trams from 474 last year to 403 less trams requires less staff to drive them! All profits for lafrance! And that was actually on the books, not even all cars were running!

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>> So whoopy doo! the 20 extra trams will put the fiqures back up to 423 trams, but wait there is more, we haven't withdrawn the A class 2 for 1 combo deal either as yet!

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>> Divide 70 of those A class and get 35 E cars to replace them means we have 368 plus the 20 extra makes 388!

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>> Someone tell me I'm doing my maths wrong.

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>> All in the name of progress

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>> Al.

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