Hello Paul,
You wrote -- " Noel's comments are shared by many enthusiasts; our lives
have been in terminal decline since the end of the "good old days" which for
many in the TDU community would be 30 June 1983 (the day we lost our beloved
MMTB)? "
Please give a few thoughts to those of TDU who remember the Newcastle
tramways (closed 1950), Perth tramways (closed 1958), Sydney tramways
(closed 1961) and the Brisbane tramways (closed 1969) . Those tramways were
closed for good and can now only be slightly replicated at Loftus, Whiteman
Park and Ferny Grove.
Melbourne is very fortunate to still have a large, modern and prosperous
tram system which was the MMTB and has now changed it's title to Yarra
Trams.
In the past sixty-five years, I have seen and been able to record most of
the original Australian tram systems in close to their maximum extent but
these systems have now "gone for ever".
By contrast with the titles of the Melbourne tramways, the Sydney tramways
have been --NSWGR&T >>> NSWGT >>> DRT&T :>>> DGT&OS >>> PTC >>> STA (have
I missed a few others ?). As far as I am concerned I started and finished my
railway signalling career with the NSWGR, even though there were a several
different titles on the way.
Each of the changes of title has involved further expense in various ways
such as the need for new titles on buildings, new transport tickets and new
office stationery, but those in control might just say that little has
changed -- Public transport has only changed from steel rails to bitumen
roads, steel tires to rubber tires, electric motors to diesel motors and
bi-directional vehicles with hard seats to uni-directional vehicles with
soft seats. A big improvement however is that there are now many more
balloon loops than ever before.
Noel Reed.
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On Behalf Of Paul Nicholson
Sent: Wednesday, 27 March 2013 3:32 AM
To:TramsDownUnder@...
Subject: [TramsDownUnder] Re: Operation of heritage vehicles - [Was: RE: W2
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I wonder how many pictures exist of a photo line and the photographers
taking pictures of the train or the tram?
As hardcore fans, we have tended to keep people out of our pictures; why is
this part of the gunzel culture?
Noel's comments are shared by many enthusiasts; our lives have been in
terminal decline since the end of the "good old days" which for many in the
TDU community would be 30 June 1983 (the day we lost our beloved MMTB)?
Paul in Melbourne (who must admit life could be a lot worse right now)
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mailto:TramsDownUnder%40yahoogroups.com , jeffrey bounds <jebounds@...>
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> Noel,
> This year is 40 years since 3813's overhaul at Eveleigh Workshps was
stopped by Chief Commissioner Phillip Shirley after Commissioner Josh
Trimmer<who was he> noticed the overhaul.
> I believe the unassembled loco is now at Dorrigo.
> Jeff
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> Subject: [TramsDownUnder] RE: Operation of heritage vehicles - [Was: RE:
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> Photo stops on main lines were an interesting part of the train tours of
the distant past. On many tours including the memorable Spirit of Progress
"delivery trip to Sydney " in 1962 with locos 3830 and 3813, a photo stop
location was announced by whistle blasts and the train stopped at the chosen
photo location. When all photographers were out on the line-side or in
adjoining paddocks, the train would set back for a considerable distance
(irrespective of normal safeworking regulations).
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> The train would then steam ahead past the photographers with plenty of
what is now called "pollution". It would then stop and would again set back
to pick them up. There were not many "motorcaders" in those years as the
train could generally out-pace .most cars on the local roads which often did
not closely follow the railway.
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> A memorable occasion during the Albury - Sydney S of P trip was when a
well known NSWR locomotive inspector was driving the train between
Cootamundra and Goulburn. Several curves were taken at well above the
sign-posted speeds so that there was pandemonium in the VRS buffet car
(either "Wimmera" or "Mitta Mitta") when plates of food were propelled off
the serving counter onto the floor. A well known NSW founding member of the
ARHS was travelling on that trip, and he had the 'honour' of stopping the
train by use of the communication cord in the VRS.
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> The last time one of Melbourne 's historic sparks went out onto the
mainline was in January 2004. The last run of a tram tour using historic
trams in Melbourne was the Sydney tour in October 2003. Photo stops on
heritage train runs in Victoria were also banned in 2004.
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> Was the public liability insurance flare-up (or disaster) from 2001-02 the
reason for this sudden death of heritage running/other general rule
tightening almost a decade ago? Or was it something else?
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mailto:TramsDownUnder%40yahoogroups.com , "Hunslet" <hunslet@> wrote:
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> > Which is exactly the reason (NSW) CityRail has given since around 2003
for not providing crews (and therefore keeping crews trained/qualified) to
operate its collection of heritage electric trains!
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