RE: Re: SLR and heritage trams
  Ted Gay

They was once a sign on a short pole in the 'six foot' but after it was knocked over it was removed and never replaced.
 
Ted

--- On Thu, 30/12/10, Brian Blunt bblunt@...> wrote:


From: Brian Blunt bblunt@...>
Subject: RE: [TramsDownUnder] Re: SLR and heritage trams
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Received: Thursday, 30 December, 2010, 7:04 PM


 

The section between George St and Thomas St is also part of a traffic road. There is no signage to indicate to northbound traffic turning left out George St that they can’t drive on the tracks. All that is visible is a median strip with a traffic light pole, which in normal circumstances any normal driver would tend to keep to the left of.
 


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Sent: Thursday, 30 December 2010 6:49 PM
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Subject: [TramsDownUnder] Re: SLR and heritage trams
 
 


.......apart from which Hay St between Pitt and George is still classed a public road, not a mall. I'm not even sure if the section past Paddy's has been reclassified. As far as the police, who were the authority setting the limit, were concerned it is a public road.

Tony Prescott

--- InTramsDownUnder@..., "Brian Blunt" <bblunt@...> wrote:
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> The section along Hay St between Pitt and the up ramp could be classified as “on street†??

>

> There is also a short section between Parker St and Parker Lane which is “trafficableâ€

>

> Brian

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> From:TramsDownUnder@... [mailto:TramsDownUnder@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ted Gay

> Sent: Thursday, 30 December 2010 6:04 PM

> To:TramsDownUnder@...

> Subject: Re: [TramsDownUnder] Re: SLR and heritage trams

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> They is no, NO on street running in Sydney. From Pitt Street to the ROW it is a Mall.

>

> Ted

> Ding ding

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> --- On Wed, 29/12/10, prescottt@... <historyworks@...> wrote:

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> From: prescottt@... <historyworks@...>

> Subject: [TramsDownUnder] Re: SLR and heritage trams

> To:TramsDownUnder@...

> Received: Wednesday, 29 December, 2010, 3:14 PM

>

> Reviewing the discussion Bill, I was talking about using

> acceleration/deceleration to bring a tram up to line speed quickly in order to

> raise average speed and shorten journey times. You introduced the topic of

> areas of high pedestrian activity. The conversation then became a

> characteristic desultory Internet conversation - which doesn't worry me at all.

> Ultimately I think it is up to the discretion of the driver, which point

> highlights the official hypocrisy in Sydney that trams have a street limit of

> 20 kph while buses are allowed 50 (or whatever is posted), trusting the no-less

> professional bus drivers to use their discretion. What's good for the goose is obviously not good for the gander in the eyes of NSW Transport.

>

> Acceleration in the context of a mall is likewise discretionary, as I observe in

> Bondi Junction mall. If the driver sees the way ahead is clear he puts the foot

> down, otherwise he accelerates cautiously, waiting for any pees to clear out of the way.

>

> Apart from this my original point referred to the majority of the SLR which is

> on ROW.

>

> Cheers

> Tony Prescott

>

> --- InTramsDownUnder@... http://au.mc330.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=TramsDownUnder%40yahoogroups.com , Bill Bolton <billbolton.email@> wrote:

> >

> > On Tue, 28 Dec 2010 22:36:23 +1100, Hunslet wrote:

> >

> > > In those days, people were aware of trams and IF they stepped in the

> > > way, the tram driver would give a quick "ding-ding" on the gong as

> > > a warning.

> >

> > Its quite unclear what Tony's real issue is. One moment is

> > acceleration rates, and the next its track speed through

> > pedestrianised areas.

> >

> > Either way, the issue for pedestrians is more about the rate of change

> > in vehicle speed than it is the absolute speed. Any road vehicle that

> > is changing velocity *quickly* is a danger to pedestrians in CBDs,

> > while moderate changes in velocity are generally not a problem....

> > this is nothing new, its always been like that.

> >

> > > To crawl along through the Haymarket streets at walking pace is ridiculous.

> >

> > You must be able to walk very quickly indeed then, as the ~20kph rate

> > is a far faster than walking!

> >

> > > If/when the Light Rail extends to Circular Quay, it will need to operate at

> > > normal vehicular speeds, otherwise it will quickly become a white elephant!

> >

> > What do you consider to be "normal vehicle speeds"?

> >

> > In both the Sydney and Melbourne CBDs they are quite slow for road

> > vehicles, and the continuing road traffic management trend globally is

> > to reduce the speed of all road vehicles in areas where pedestrians

> > are about.

> >

> > Segregated rights of way are a different proposition... but it remains

> > to be seen what, if anything, is going to actually happen regarding

> > LRT in the Sydney CBD.

> >

> > Cheers,

> >

> > Bill

> >

> > Bill Bolton

> > Sydney, Australia

> >

>