RE: Re: FW: snippets, Thurs.6.4.17
  William Jackson

PTV also specify their wishes to the rail operator the train types and quantities and where they want them running.

From:TramsDownUnder@... []
Sent: Tuesday, 18 April 2017 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: [TramsDownUnder] Re: FW: snippets, Thurs.6.4.17

Some information from 'the man on the inside'.

"The comment about the PTV creating the timetable is true only for Melbourne’s bus services.

Both Metro Trains and Yarra Trams have their own roster departments, so they create their schedules based on a specification from the PTV (who don’t have the resources to create train and tram schedules).

In relation to what vehicle types operate on which tram routes, these are determined by Yarra Trams based on loading surveys. If a route has high passenger counts that exceed certain levels (as determined by the PTV), either additional trips are provided (less likely) or higher capacity vehicles are used (more likely). For example, route 86 (Bundoora RMIT to Docklands) requires 30 vehicles on Weekdays (mostly B-class), but due to capacity issues at certain times, 4 E-class trams are scheduled for specific runs to address that issue (apparently, it can be a bit of a juggling act to slot them in to match the demand in both peaks – all 4 of the E-class trams stay out all day, not just during the peaks!).

Hope this helps."


On 18 Apr 2017, at 10:41 am, Richard Youltressteleg@... [TramsDownUnder] TramsDownUnder@... > wrote:

I would tend to think that PTV not only draws up the timetables but also decides which types of trams should be run on which routes and at what times.

It would be up to Keolis to fulfil these requirements as best as they possibly can.

I will try to check on this.


On 18 Apr 2017, at 10:21 am, Matthew Geiermatthew@... [TramsDownUnder] TramsDownUnder@... > wrote:

On 18/04/17 09:53, Geoffrey D Deanmilldean@...
[TramsDownUnder] wrote:


> Just the French way of saying ‘more seats — less trams’. Forget that the

> trams are overcrowded now.

Since Keolis took over, are their any French managers any more ?

Keolis is 70% owned by SNCF, the French national railways.

Funny how our own Government can't own public transport, but it's OK for
foreign governments to have large stakes.

> Common sense(whatever that is) would say bigger trams, less overcrowding.

> Obviously not in the French way of thinking.

I think Keolis may have imported some managers from it's Asian
operations, where only floor area counts.

At any rate I don't think Keolis has much say on the allocation of
specific rolling stock to specific routes and the timetables of said
routes. PTV call the shots. PTV is Keolis's 'customer' not the
passengers carried on the trams they manage.

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