That’s right. One SPER ’oldtimer’ told me that Norm Chin (possibly Ken McCarthy) was visiting Randwick Workshops and upon seeing that scrapping of the prison tram had commenced, flew into the manager’s office and demanded that this cease as the tram was required for preservation.

Luckily only the motors were gone, and scrapping ceased.

Such was their style of tact.

Regards,

> On 12 Nov 2017, at 10:01 pm, Mick Duncankitbuny@... [TramsDownUnder] TramsDownUnder@...> wrote:

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> Gday Matthew, All

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> Its the Prison car that dosent have motors

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> Cheers, Mick

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> On 12/11/2017 7:57 AM, Matthew Geiermatthew@...

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>> On 12/11/17 07:22, Malcolm Rowemal.rowe@... [TramsDownUnder] wrote:

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>>> Great work.

>>> This may be the only set of McGuire trucks in the world.

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>> Parko and others have not been able to find any others of this type

>> recorded as preserved anywhere. It's quite possible these really are the

>> last of their type in existence.

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>> Watching 24s operate and riding on it, I can sort of see why - they are

>> not very good at all. When starting the weight transfer to the rear

>> unloads the front driven wheel too much so the lead wheel is prone to

>> wheel spin. Something doesn't seem quite right with the geometry. They

>> are not a good example of the 'maximum traction' idea.

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>> Any one using them would have replaced them with something better at the

>> first opportunity!

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>> 24s has them as they were rejects from the F class program, so were

>> available 'cheap' (i.e. lying around the workshops) when the freight car

>> was constructed.

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>> With a few tonnes of freight to hold them down, they probably work much

>> better !

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>> In case any one's wondering about the reference to motors - for many

>> years there was a persistent story that 24s's unique McGuire didn't have

>> motors. I'm not sure where this came from, but it was considered gospel

>> by many, and no one actually bothered to look under the car and check!.

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>> While the motors were overhauled during this restoration, they didn't

>> actually need any major work - they were stripped down, cleaned and

>> repainted. The only replacement parts are new motor leads.

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