For the record, the German abbreviation “O bus”, for trolleybus, is short for “Oberleitungsbus”.
In English, “overhead line bus”, just a variation of “trolleybus”.
Here’s an early CEDES-Stoll electric bus with a “Troller” rather than poles :
Leads had to be swapped when buses passed each other, as here in Berlin in 1912 :
Note the hub motors on the rear wheels - nothing is new, only recycled.
Here’s a Troller, also used on early experimental electric tramways before Charles Van Depoele invented and Frank Sprague developed the under-running trolley pole, with the traditional legal battle over patents.
Here’s some power collector development history :
http://www.trolleybus.co.uk/history1.htm
And here’s another early user of gearless hub motors :
http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Fribourg–Farvagny_trolleybus_system
Tony G
> On 22 Oct 2017, at 1:56 pm, 'Dudley'transitconsult@... [TramsDownUnder] TramsDownUnder@...> wrote:
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> Subject: Re: [TramsDownUnder] Re: All-door loading of buses in Australia
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> The busiest private operations in Sydney (typically in areas without railways) used all-door loading right up to the 1960s. They couldn't have managed without it, sometimes the buses were so packed you couldn't see daylight through them! The front door thing came with OMO and reluctance to open the other door even for exit was down to practice in individual operations and failure of TfNSW and its predecessors to lay down and enforce rules about it, leaving it to the operators (or even individual drivers within operators, which is basically a management breakdown).
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> The revised minimum design standards aren't retrospective so it'll be a while before you see large number of privates in Sydney with double-leaf doors coming in with new deliveries. We have them in Wollongong on the busiest operations, but Wollongong was a rare Australian city that always had a large operation that would be run by government in other cities but here was run by priv ates.
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> This is getting off electric transit isn't it. The only thing to say in this regard is that TfNSW has shown absolutely no interest in investigating electric buses.
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> ---InTramsDownUnder@... mailto:TramsDownUnder@yahoogroups.com, <matthew@...> wrote :
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> On 22/10/17 11:30, prescottt@... mailto:prescottt@... [TramsDownUnder] wrote:
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> > Having grown up in Sydney in the territory of one of the largest
> > private bus operators who used loading through BOTH doors, I would
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> The region(s) of Sydney where I grew up and have more or less lived
> since were extremely anti centre door - doing all the things Greg
> mentioned. Till the VST lease pool buses with their centre doors started
> arriving occasionally a ex Government Merc would turn up on a local
> route that had a large steel plate over the centre door making sure it
> couldn't ever be used. I think they also had one where it had a more
> extreme makeover, the door had been removed and the body/floor rebuilt
> so they could get an extra seat in.
> The buses these operators ordered new directly didn't have centre doors
> at all, we even have Bustech VST buses with no centre door, ordered by
> Transdev just before TfNSW became a lease pool provider and started
> handing out buses with the single centre door. (The badge on the bus
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> Even when the VST's with centre doors started arriving, many drivers
> point blank refused to let people exit via the centre doors, however
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> > TfNSW minimum design standard for all metropolitan bus purchases
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> > double-leaf doors. The ones you see that are less than this were
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> Which is currently pretty well ALL of the fleet. I have yet to see a
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> At the stops near Sydney Uni, many passengers (uni students) are now
> using the centre (and other doors on the artics), but attempting to do
> so could result in the door slamming in your face. The trick is to board
> while the bus driver is occupied answering a question or selling a ticket..
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> Last year at East Gardens I did see one driver get up out of his seat
> and yell at a passenger who hopped on via the centre door. The passenger
> just yell back, I paid my fare or something similar and proceeded to sit
> down and ignore the huffing driver. Probably the local union rep. Most
> drivers probably really don't care and those that do adopt the
> passive-aggressive approach of closing the centre/rear door in the face
> of those trying to board via them.
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> I haven't had the opportunity to attempt to board via the centre door on
> a local Transdev operated bus - there is so little opportunity to try
> out that particular experiment. I suspect it would result in a driver
> making some sort of comment. A few local drivers still pull people up
> for not tapping an opal card.
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