Hello Matt

Maybe you should have gone to Vienna.

There are several electric bus routes - no diesel. They run around the inner city down the narrow roads. At the terminus the panto goes up for about 5 mins and then away it goes again.

Bob T

> On 16 Oct 2017, at 15:06, Matthew Geiermatthew@... [TramsDownUnder] TramsDownUnder@...> wrote:

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> On 16/10/17 14:07,prescottt@... mailto:prescottt@ymail.com [TramsDownUnder] wrote:

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> > The UK is a generation behind. The developments in continental Europe

> > and China have moved on from involving any type of fuel-powered engine

> > on board. They've been there, done that - hybrid diesel-electric, diesel

> > generators on trolleybuses, even the NZ Wrightbus (if it ever happens)

> > is now outside the parameters. It has to be all electric on the vehicle..

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> Multiple battery failures will not help matters on this front - the

> battery packs in their hybrids keep dying, so going 100% electric is

> quite a leap of faith if your hybrids don't work properly.

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> And I kept an eye out for electric vehicals on by recent trip, and

> electric buses are 'rare as hens teeth', I don't think I saw any in

> Germany at all. I saw many Tesla and Nissan Leaf electric cars - and

> public charging points for them. I don't think I saw one pure battery

> electric bus. (Ignoring trolley buses, I saw quite a number of those!).

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> The duty cycle for an urban route bus is punishing and I suspect it's

> going to be quite a few years before pure battery electric can hold it's

> own. The electrics will only succeed in jurisdictions were the operator

> gets subsidized on the costs of extra vehicals so they can give them

> less punishing diagrams than the diesel/gas buses are subjected to, but

> keep the service levels up.

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> I do wonder how many hours a day are Melbourne trams out on the road and

> how this compares with the buses in the same city.

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> I know people have collected driver diagrams - does any one collect

> 'vehicle' diagrams ?

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