Re: Jogger beats tram down Melbourne''s Sydney Road
  Dudley Horscroft

According to this site:

http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2012/06/long_distance_running_and_evolution_why_humans_can_outrun_horses_but_can_t_jump_higher_than_cats_.html

"Elite human runners, however, can sustain speeds up to 6.5 meters (sic) per second."

As 1 m/s = 3.6 km/h, this means they can sustain 23.4 km/h. This is 14.6 mph. Sounds fairly good compared to the MMTB and
presumably YT scheduled speeds of 10 to 12 mph. Not surprising she was able to beat the tram.

It also says: "Even run-of-the-mill joggers typically do between 3.2 and 4.2 meters per second." This is from 11.52 to 15.12
km/h. The latter is 9.4 mph. ISTR that MMTB hoped to be able to make 10 mph in the CBD area, balancing this with faster runs out
in the countryside.

As the Video points out, the road is cluttered with cars. Toronto has just had the idea of doing something about King Street, which
is possibly even more cluttered than Sydney Road. The solution that is to be tried is that at every intersection along the main
section of King Street, cars will have to turn right (remember, Canadians drive on the right). This means that trams should be able
to reach the intersections without delays, and all stops will be shifted to the far side. As, so far as I know, TTC has not yet
done much in the way of providing proper platforms on King Street (still using safety zones just as Melbourne did on Flinders Street
50 years ago) there is little if any infrastructure to be abandoned.

Perhaps this idea could be tried in Sydney Road? If nothing else, it still allows that parking to which shopkeepers are so
dedicated.


Regards

Dudley Horscroft
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From: "Tony Gallowayarg@... [TramsDownUnder]" TramsDownUnder@...>
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Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: [TramsDownUnder] Jogger beats tram down Melbourne's Sydney Road


Sounds a lot like King St Newtown, but the best the NSW regime can come up with for King St is turning it into a forced, 24 hr
clearway traffic sewer choked with the runoff from their Westconnex disaster.

Tony G


> On 21 Jun 2017, at 4:00 pm, Mal Rowemal.rowe@... [TramsDownUnder] TramsDownUnder@...> wrote:

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> On 21/06/2017 2:28 PM, Greg Sutherlandgregsutherland@... mailto:gregsutherland@ozemail.com.au [TramsDownUnder]

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>> http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-21/jogger-beats-tram-in-race-down-melbourne-sydney-road/8637564

>> http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-21/jogger-beats-tram-in-race-down-melbourne-sydney-road/8637564

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> Sydney Rd is a great strip of road.

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> In a couple of km you can travel the world in cuisine, retail stores and people.

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> It has a full time 40km / hr speed limit and in the unlikely event of being detected exceeding that limit, a very viable defence

> would be "It's impossible to go over 40 km/hr in Sydney Rd."

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> This is the road where a previous goverment considered taking out the trams and putting them up the parallel train line (the

> trains would have gone!).

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> The 'Revitalise Sydney Rd' group have got it right: Ban parking, but retain the 40km/hr speed limit so that the road remains

> pedestrian and cycle friendly.

> It accounts for a large proportion of bicycle accidents in Melbourne - partly because of the traffic and partly because of the

> intense pattern of bicycle use in Brunswick. Many locals do their supermarket shopping by bicycle and even tow their kids around

> in bicycle trailers.

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> I'm sure a lot of the retailers and hospitality operators would agree as they can see the potential for this strip. However, the

> 'retailers association' which is likely to be dominated by old guard shopkeepers can't accept that the people who park in Sydney

> Rd actually drive away customers, so they are opposed to loss of on-street parking.

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> There's already a lot of off street parking - never difficult to find a car park ... just difficult to get to it along Sydney Rd!

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> The site at: http://www.sydneyroad.org/ http://www.sydneyroad.org/ is worth a look.

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> Mal Rowe - just across the creek from the People's Republic of Moreland (who are the local Govt responsible for Sydney Rd)

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